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GA Minutes - 11/21/2011
« on: November 22, 2011, 08:48:03 am »
GENERAL ASSEMBLY
21 November 2011
People’s Plaza
Facilitating: Tristan and Ali
Stacking: Johanna
Vibes: Michelle and Emily
Minutes: Katy (but I only got that assignment almost at the end of announcements—see the early announcements on the livestream recordings.)

Rob: we’re going to be forming an Occupier Choir.  We’re doing an action on Thursday the 24th.  At 9pm we’re meeting here, and Wal-Mart opens at 10 (earlier than ever for black Friday shopping).  We’ll be going there for an action.  Also we’ll be doing actions on Black Friday to do actions for International Buy Nothing Day.

Dr. David—I’m giving out free flue shots, tonight’s my last night so come by my tent.

Tristan: stepping out of role as facilitator, because nobody else is here who went to the School of the Americas.  I wanted to give a report back about this action that 5 of us did this weekend.  We left Thursday night after the Rumsfeld interruption and awesome dance party in the streets.  We went to Occupy Chattanooga, right by county courthouse, with a grassy area and fire pit and someone who sits there and plays bob dylan songs all day.  Occupy Atlanta has a lot of police repression, they had taken over a bridge the day before, but they’re regrouping, and there wasn’t a lot to see.  Then we went to Columbus GA for the School of the Americas Watch Vigil.

Occupy Detroit, st. louis, miami, birmingham, occupies all over the place came down, and it was really exciting to meet each other.  On the way back we stopped by occupy birmingham, they’re also right under the Regions Bank Tower.  It’s lovely.  They’re on the sidewalk, but they’ve made pallet hutches and they’re sleeping there.  Right now they’re putting together an alliance with the Alabama Immigrant group to put together a campaign to repeal the bad immigration law.

PROPOSALS:
Raymond: I like the mic check because people on the street can hear us.  My proposal is a simple one.  I want some money.  Not for me, but for the people’s library.  I would like to have 100 dollars.  This money would be spent on the following items, in order of importance:

Table
More bins
Any remaining money would go to books.  I would be happy to hear suggestions about where I should get this from, like what store to go to, or where I can get these for cheap or for free, but I really hope people will be giving the library some money and some love.

QUESTIONS:
Who’s going to manage the library?
Whoever wants to, please step up.

Have these items been put on the needs list?
I’ve asked numerous people several times, but I haven’t been able to get them.  I’ve asked that it be put on our needs list, but I’m not certain they’re there.

How would the books be chosen?
I’d like to spend the least money on books, more on infrastructure.  Once we get infrastructure, the books will come.

CONCERNS:

Nobody’s there to monitor it.  Every time it rains it falls apart.  It seems like a waste of time to put resources into something that we’re not able to care for.

Lance: we have a position for info table stacking.  We’ve had people come in, and I’ve done it.  It’s not full time, but we could easily recruit people to man that.

Michael: the tent can be stabilized with five gallon buckets filled with sand and water.

Matt: We have an awesome network of people who follow our livestream and our website, and I know that hasn’t been posted on there.  I would like for you to make a list for me to put on the website and see how that goes, and maybe repropose this in a couple days.

Dwayne: I believe that the library’s a block down the street, if anybody wants a book that bad.  If you guys get somebody up here that will man that, if you have a rotating shift that can guarantee to take care of it, I’ll change my opinion but I think it’s a moot point.

Lance: I can see how there’s the need for the people’s library as a research, working center where we have information brought, but I don’t know that it needs books.  If people share with us that’s wonderful.  I think the idea of having a people’s library is that it’s going to be useful for information specific to the cause.  The infrastructure can be invested, we can set up shelving and have a bare list of infrastructure needs.

Raymond: 1) If you build it they will come.  Until we have something there, nobody will step up and do it.  2) The people’s library was all people talked about in New York when they razed and destroyed their camp we need to have something that has cultural significance.  We can do that with books, regardless of quality or type.  I’m pretty sure we’re sitting on a couple thousand dollars, a hundred bucks won’t hurt.

AMENDMENTS:
Michael: I would like to add an amendment that we first submit it online to add to our wish list, and if we don’t see it in 3 or 4 days, we spend the money.

Matt: I would like to make an amendment that if we’re going to pass this we have somebody onsite that’s manning this 24/7.  When it rained I had to come over here and get things out of the water, even though I needed to be doing other things.  We need full time people.

Chris: wait a few days, a few of these items are on the needs list and donations have slacked off in general, and our list is really long.  We need to reorganize the list, create a library section, but I don’t think we’re going to get that much more donations.  I’m also concerned that we need people to man it.

Chris: usually a lot of times people from the kitchen come up and help with the information center, people’s library.  Of course we could use more help.

Samantha: anybody who’s going to be a full staffer on that also needs to go through basic customer service 101 and needs to know how to organize things.

Tristan: it sounds like there are a lot of concerns with the infrastructure of the tent set-up, which is perhaps outside the perview of this proposal.  We can note those as important issues that need to be dealt with, and which will hopefully be coming up in another proposal or announcement.

RESTATE
Raymond: I can’t control people.  I can take 100 dollars and buy some stuff.  I propose that we put these needs on the list so we get more of this stuff.  And that tonight we get 100 dollars that are spent on tables, bins, and whatever leftover on books.  And I will be happy to come by, give any receipts and I know I can be here on Saturdays to help set it up.  Or Wednesday of this week.

TEST FOR CONSENSUS:
All like it except for:
2 or 3 on the fence
2 don’t like it—they choose to stand aside and let it happen.
PROPOSAL PASSES.
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Re: GA Minutes - 11/21/2011
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 08:51:20 am »
FOOD:
Will: I know we have a rule that proposals are supposed to be short.  This one is a little complicated because the law is complicated. 

Occupy Nashville was served with a Notice of Adminstration Action from the Metro Public Health Department of Nashville on November 21 ordering the suspension of our permit to oeprate a food establishment in violation of the law.  The inspector deemed occupy Nashville’s food services as constituting ‘an immediate health hazard’.  The inspector advised in his official report that to give food to the general public, which includes citizens without a fixed residence, members of Occupy Nashville must attend a seminar.  The next seminar is scheduled for January 10, nearly two months away.  Occupy Nashville should sustain its occupiers and residents with nutrition, and the kitchen is currently closed by emergency.  Occupy Nashville is unique in that we are a group of freely associated citizens and it is difficult to determine who is a member of the public and who is an occupier or resident of Occupy Nashville since we are a movement that strives for inclusiveness.  Under the law, Occupy Nashville does not qualify for any exemptions concerning food service.  Occupy Nashville must comply with the food safety laws by avoiding serving food to the public at large, while ON may provide food to our occupiers and residents.  The penalty for violation is a criminal charge, a Class C misdemeanor punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a $50 fine, and that the city may enjoin ON from serving food with a court or4de3r, and if we continue to violate the law subsequently, the court could end ON.

The legal team will appeal the decision as soon as practicable with the support of the ACLU.  The logistics working group has been consulted on this proposal.

Let it be resolved that:

1.1   ‘Occupiers’ shall be defined as people who affirm their association with ON by signing the Code of Conduct and attending at least one GA.

2.1 Occupiers shall sign a form acknowledging their agreement to abide by the Code of Conduct.

2.2 A volunteer from the Logistics working group shall, upon a person’s signed acknowledgement of the Code of Conduct, attach a wristband distinctive to ON.

3.1 Food and beverages in their original containers are exempt from these rules.

3.2 Catering is exempt from this rule.

3.2.1 Catering is defined as
   a) any person or group that employs no full-time or regular employees for the purpose of food service.
   b) whose food preparation is performed solely within the confines of the principal caterer’s residence.
   c) and whose food preparation business makes only occasional sales within a 30-day period.

3.2.2 A person bringing food to legislative plaza must servce such food immediately and in person. No volunteer occupier or resident of ON will store or serve food brought to legislative plaza if that occupier is not also a caterer.

3.2.3 A person bringing food to legislative plaza must serve such food immediately and in person.  No volunteer occupier or resident of ON will store or serve food brought to Legislative Plaza if that Occupier is not also a caterer.

3.2.3 for the purposes of this proposal, ‘caterer’ is defined as a person who participates in catering.

4.1 Volunteers shall provide food and beverage which are not exempt by these rules only to Occupiers, for example any person who has not signed the Code of Conduct and is wearing a wristband as described in Section 2.2

4.2 Nothing in this proposal shall limit the ability for volunteers to provide food or beverages to any person who is an Occupier.

4.3 The Logistics working group will have the authority to enforce these rules through appropriate legislation either: 1) in dialogue with the Legal working group; or 2) through GA

4.4 All working groups are authorized and encouraged to reach out to organizations that traditionally serve those without fixed addresses, including but not limited to Food Not Bombs, to encourage them to act as a Caterer as described in Section 3.

LET IT BE FURHTER RESOLVED THAT:

1)   The ON GA condemns the State of Tennessee and any relevant officials in the Metro government who seeks to restrict our ability to provide food to any person we see fit.

2)   We are particularly saddened that the City of Nashville and the Karl Dean administration seek to restrict access to food during Thanksgiving, a time when we have traditionally celebrated the contributions of all Americans and gather around a common table to partake in a bountiful harvest.  It is ironic that the corporate elite have infiltrated our government to deprive citizens of the decency to honor this nation during a week meant for reflection of all our collective accomplishments.  Today’s actions have made have made clear that the City of Nashville does not believe that everyone is entitled to the American dream, and we call upon Mayor Karl Dean and his administration to reverse their decision immediately.

3)   Occupy Nashville stands in solidarity with victims of homelessness and those people without fixed addresses, since they are the most tragic victims of the prevailing corporatocracy that deprives human beings of basic rights to a warm meal and a secure place to sleep while corporate criminals rake in enormous profits; and

4)   ON formally welcomes victims of homelessness and those without fixed addresses into the 99% and will continue to advocate on their behalf.

QUESTIONS:
Who wrote it?
Legal working group, drafts through email, final copy sent to logistics and I discussed it during 10 minutes there.  Essentially supported by ACLU.

Andrew: we can feed members, but we’re not allowed to feed the people who are not part of occupy and are conveniently taking advantage of the resources we have.  We’re covered, we can feed ourselves, but those outside of where we’re here for the movement and for ourselves.

Will: there are exceptions for caterers: that caterer can serve everyone it wishes.  Food in its original packaging, including cokes etc.
 
David: I did food not bombs here for 2 years, exact issue came up several times.  They chased us around the city.  They told us the law is you have to do certification.  You go to a 2 hour free course, take a test a 2nd grader could take.  The codes state that all the rules that apply to restaurants don’t apply to us.  We can serve without regular food safety guidelines if we take this course and have a sign saying this is not health safety rules.  They were very clear that the picnic argument was not going to fly: the police were not going to go with loopholes here.  Picnic only works if you do not serve anybody who comes up.  If you have loose rules about who’s in the organization, they will still bust you.  If you’re asking a caterer to come here, you’re leaving them open to being cited if they’re not cited.  If I come as food not bombs, I have to have the certificate, it’s kind of dangerous to do that.

Will: I consulted the law, and saw civic organizations can come in with impunity without going to classes as long as you’re not serving on subsequent days.  But nothing restricts the caterer’s rights to donate food to occupiers.  They could also come and serve whoever they wish.

Dave: that’s what I was told the police would not be dealing with.

Phillip: This is a movement, this is not a soup kitchen.  We are not a mission.  And we are not against the homeless.  When it comes down to that you’re either on the bus or your not, and this is a blessing in disguise.  Otherwise there are no reason for donators to be giving us anything because our donations will not be helping us.

Is the proposal for wrist bands and one meeting a week?
Just the wrist bands themselves are not enough to get us into violation.  We tried to pare this down as much as we could, but we thought it would be a good idea to leave in the two statuatory exemptions so there is a provision to feed those who don’t meet the requirements if logistics deems it right.

Just one GA, not one a week.

People can drink water and can get single-serving, prepackaged food.

They’re using this to get their foot in here.

I’m willing to take the fall for this. 

Trip: if enough people get the citations, they will take an injunction against all of you.  If you violate the injunction that will be an excuse for them to come and take everybody out.

Jason: all this is a moot point if we do no cooking and it’s all prepackaged?
Yes.

Michael: when the wristbands are issued, they’re supposed to leave it on indefinitely.
I’m open to any friendly amendments that would help identify folks.  I don’t care how it’s done.

Bill: does prepackaged food apply to box lunches from restaurants that are wrapped in wax paper?
It’s a gray area.

Samantha: somebody orders 10 pizzas and deliver to camp?
If the individuals, the people eating can take the slices out themselves, I think you’re in safer territory.

John Robbins: I want clarification on hers first:

Dave: if you order a pizza, the deliverer served, you’re fine.

John: we have a water dispenser.

Will: logistics can sort out, it’s the details.  The crux of the problem is what we need to deal with.
So if I go to the store and buy food that needs to be cooked and I give it to someone to help me cook it?  Because we’re all family.

Will: I personally agree, but the situation is not that.  The state of tennessee would have a problem about that.

Michael: boxes of pizza, people serving themselves.  What if I bring pot of chili and set it down and people serve itself.

Will: under the law you’re a caterer.  Under the statute the caterer is not a licensed person.
Some of us work in the kitchen, could we get the food made off site and have people bring it up here?
The person who makes it has to stay.

Trip: if you do that, you have to serve it immediately, you can’t save it for later.  And you still face the problem that the cops may argue about it.

Will: if someone cooks it off site, it’s either self-service or they serve it to everyone it’s ok.  Let’s not lose the forest for the trees or whatever, because if you are an occupier, we can have anybody cook for
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Re: GA Minutes - 11/21/2011
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 08:52:54 am »
anybody, but if you are not signed on to the code of conduct, that’s where the health dept. has a problem.

Steve: Health Dept. says we have jurisdiction whever food is prepared.  They’re asserting the right to go where the food is being prepared.  They want the right to inspect it.  So when they do stuff here, they have people that fall under the exemption, that’s the way the law is written.  I don’t want anybody to get the impression that they could.  You could bring it over here and abandon it, and the people find and consume it.  That’s abandoned property.  I’m not recommending that.  I’m saying that’s legally what you could do if it’s abandoned.

Will: I’m willing to make this a simpler proposal temporarily.  The kitchen reopens.  We only serve prepackaged foor for 24 hours.  The logistics team will deal with it—meet tonight.  We table the rest of the proposal for tomorrow.

We’re going to run through a quick cycle.

QUESTIONS:
None

CONCERNS:
Matt: if we’re only going to be handing out prepackaged food for the next 24 hours, we’ve got limited supplies.  There are a lot of people who want supplies.  I would want to amend to say that we serve occupiers needs first, rather than people who aren’t interested in helping this movement.

Clay: I’m with logistics: it’s their prerogative and they’ll take it from there.

Kevin: I came from Athens GA, and I keep hearing about a code of conduct, and I haven’t seen it yet.

Emily—could you let him know about it and initiate him into this.

Jeremiah: My concern is that this is a movement not an organization.  I know Phillip said that, but it’s with the wrong context.  I agree with what’s going on tonight, but I want to say I’ve been here since day one, which doesn’t mean anything, but I’ve been here and I completely disagree with what they’re saying, but it’s food

Chris: we’ve got a logistics fund, and if we have to get some more food to make it through the past 24 hours, we’re fine.

Dave: I have the certificate and I can be around all night, so you can cook while I’m here and feed folks.

Matt: I have a comment from livestream –these people donate a lot of food and want to make it known that they want the food going to the occupiers first.  50 folks on livestream, and have basically come to consensus.

Trip: ACLU is looking into this and want to make the argument that food is free speech.

Michael: if money is free speech, food should be!

Will: I don’t care specifically how this is done.  1) kitchen opens 2) prepackaged food for tonight 3) it’s referred to logistics to look at it. 4) the rest is tabled for tomorrow.  Friendly amendment that you use Dave to serve other food.

TEST FOR CONSENSUS
Likes
Dislikes: 1 person—Is willing to stand aside.  Food is free speech.  Even if you don’t like them it’s good, and we’re a movement about doing what’s good.

Tristan: even when things are tabled, I want people to remember that this is a consultative process and even when people

CONCLUSION

There were dozens killed in Cairo today and yesterday.  We’re coming up on the one-year university of the insurrection in Tunisia, which inspired all of us and people all over the world.  In a lot of places people are risking a lot.  We’re risking things too here, but I want our thoughts to be with those who are risking everything tonight, and there are a lot of them.  Sleep with that tonight, and remember to come together and be gentle with each other, because we’re all in this together.
Michael: Palestine, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Egypt, that’s just a tiny list, but all of those places are fighting for the same thing that we’re fighting for.

Then Soap Box.
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