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Offline johanne

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« on: October 31, 2011, 09:36:29 pm »
After visiting our website, people are still confused and ill informed about Occupy Nashville.
An FAQ list could help.
This is a starting point for further improvement and is not intended to impose anything new upon the group.
To obtain the document for download log in first, and it will be at the end of this post
Update - the FAQ is now posted to the website and the draft has been removed from this post

It would be especially great to have comments from media team plus:
- Everyone on "How do I get involved", "About our goals" and "Background to our goals" sections
- Outreach and Direct Action on "About our members" section
- Facilitators on "About our process" section
- Legal team on "About our location" section

When posted to the website, I think we should design it so that the section headings and questions show at the top, and you can click the question that interests you to go to see the answer. That will help avoid people being put off by the length.

Please note that the questions are written in a similar tone as questions I have had from somewhat skeptical observers.  They are designed to chime with the people we need to reach out to and persuade, not to people that already understand and support.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2011, 11:07:58 pm by johanne »

Offline johanne

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 10:00:33 pm »
ps - written with love <3

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 01:02:53 am »
Very well written and informative. Thank you for taking the time to compile and answer these questions in such a simple, strait forward way. I feel that this will be very useful in clearing up some common misconceptions about our movement. Waiving my fingers high!  :)

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 09:40:28 am »
Hi Johanne, Wendell here.  Hope you survived last night, how is the voice? This is a great document. Thank you for producing it.  My only suggestion is (my suggestion in italics)


Some people say that all you want are hand-outs?  Is that true?

Not at all. In fact we have asked for nothing from anyone other than the right to express our grievances to our elected representatives as guaranteed in both the Federal and Tennessee Constitutions.

WWWW   WWWW    (Happy fingers (MMMM sad fingers, ---- neutral fingers XXXX block))

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 10:36:08 am »
I so totally agree on the confusion aspect.  I've even been down there a few times and I am still confused!! :-)
Not only is it hard to know what is trying to be achieved, it is hard to know how to become involved.  Need some structure and scheduling to move forward.
How are the other Occupy movements addressing this?  What is the organizational and scheduling methods at wall street?  Are the offering any templates for other Occupy movements?
Now that the threat of arrest has been put on hold, the real focus needs to come back.  The good will and sentiment is at an all time high, but until there are some concrete actions that can be taken, it will fade away soon, especially without the local headlines.
May be OUR PLAZA,,,,but now it needs to be our MESSAGE. 
This movement has to take some focus to bring people to it and to get involved.  That will take ACTION ITEMS......
I don't know how much coordination is taking place nationwide, but i feel that now is the moment that the movement needs to take it up a level.  I don't even know how to get involved to help in that action.

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 11:01:10 am »
Hello Johanna, wonderful document !! The only thing I would add is a dire warning about Corrections Corporation Of America and the other Corporate Privatized Prisons scatter like a corporate prison archipelago across our nation with an influence so strong that they have been behind immigration policy and enacted laws in Arizona and Alabama for the purpose of profiting off of illegals while detaining them for deportation which can be dragged out for years. The more you dig into these vile corporations the more nightmarish it becomes. I'll be conducting study and information groups on this topic tonight after GA. In a Judicial Reform class. Hope your voice is feeling better and again you have done a wonder job with the Q&A. Thank......

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 11:13:58 am »
No problem for me earlier or now.  Bob do not take this as insulting because I failed at it myself.  The link to select is at the very bottom of the OP.   I stupidly kept selecting on the title to the post which of course did nothing for an embarrassing length of time.

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 11:36:30 am »
I think this is a great starting place.  I know we need to get something up...but I do think there are some very foundational ideas that need a collective effort...some of the more sensitive sections for me:

ARE YOU ANTI-CPAITALIST...I think what it says is ok..but needs to be very carefully crafted.

WHY ARE YOU CRITICAL OF THE 1%....I think the last line should set the tone for this paragraph and it needs to be recrafted...for me the 99% is a marketing slogan...it really represents the symptom and not the disease...but others in the group would disagree with me.  Definitely a sensitive paragraph. 

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON WALL STREET RATHER THAN WASHINGTON? i would propose a re-write on this.

ARE YOU A NON-PROFIT?  I think we need to be careful how much we associate with NPJC and that it should be arms length...I suspect their attorneys might feel the same way...they are big supporters and are helping us, and I personally support them...but the do create a political association.

BACKGROUND ON OUR GOALS....this one definitely needs some collective work.  Corporate Personhood is the most difficult issue to communicate, and probably the most important.  Citizens United is not the source of corporate personhood...it used corporate personhood to expand their rights...corporate personhood deals with granting 14 amendment rights to corporations and was "established" in a case in the 1860s. We could also add some specific info from opensecrest.org about lobbying money spent in DC

I will offer some suggestions in separate posts for each.





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Re: FAQs
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 11:47:49 am »
How about:

Are you a non-profit?

At this stage, no.  We are a public association, open to all.  However, we are able to accept donations through a local non-profit, and can provide tax deductible receipts for donations.

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 12:06:46 pm »
I like that change Johanne on the non-profit

Here are a few proposed alternatives:


ARE YOU ANTI-CAPITALIST?

Many in our group support capitalism and free enterprise.  Some individuals are anti-capitalist or feel that capitalism is doomed to fail.  Some feel we do not currently have a pure capitalist system.  However, we all agree that corporate influence over our political system is bad for our economy, bad for our government and bad for the well-being of the people of America and the world. 

WHY ARE YOU CRITICAL OF THE 1%? THEY EARNED THEIR MONEY AND SO CAN YOU?

“We are the 99%” and references to the 1% are derived from an economic study that showed that the top 1% of the population in wealth controlled more than 60% of the financial assets, which is a dramatic increase from earlier periods, and was only matched in the period prior to the Great Depression. 

Some of us feel that the very wealthy use their position to unduly influence politicians and change our laws to enhance their wealth at the expense of the common good.

Some of us are members of the 1% and feel this concentration of wealth is unhealthy for a strong economy that they depend on to maintain their wealth. 

Some of us feel that  the 1% concentration is a symptom of an underlying problem that is based on how our system functions rather than the actions of individuals.

Some of us feel that the actions of a small number of people in the 1% who have positions of power and influence in large financial institutions or government engage in unethical, immoral or illegal behavior that negatively effects our economy and government.

WHY ARE YOU FOCUSED ON WALL STREET ATHER THAN WASHINGTON?

We believe that the politicians in Washington are merely servants, and we must look at who they serve.  In a properly functioning Democracy, they serve the interests of their constituents.  We feel that they currently serve the interests of large corporations, and the very large financial institutions on Wall Street who can afford massive amounts of lobbying money and other methods of influencing Washington. Over $3.5 Billion was spent on lobbying in Washington in 2010 alone, mostly by for-profit corporations.  Added to that is a combination of campaign contributions, a revolving door of Congressional staffers and regulatory agency personel being hired by very large corporations, and the whispered promise of post political career economic benefits to politicians. 


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Point of Clarification
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 12:52:23 pm »
My first post was made without knowing where to even find the document.  If you are not logged in, the link to the document does not show up at all. Perhaps there could be a note in the FAQ post indicating that one must register and log in to see that there is a link to a document.  On the other hand, if you want non registered viewers to see the document, either post in the body or make link viewable to non registered participants.

Thank you.

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 12:59:28 pm »
Suggested for Corporate Personhood..difficult one to do clearly...

END CORPORATE PERSONHOOD

Corporate Personhood is a difficult and complex subject to understand.  But understanding it is critical to solving the problems of our Democracy. 

It basically means we have granted for-profit corporations the same sacred Human Rights and Constitutional Rights that our founding fathers created for us when our nation was born. They have abused those rights to achieve an unprecedented and unhealthy access to our political process and our nation’s laws.

WHY IS GRANTING HUMAN RIGHTS TO CORPORATIONS BAD?

Corporations are not human beings.  They do not have a set of values other than commercial values.  They also do not die, and so can accumulate vast amounts of wealth and power.  They are un-Democratic in nature. They are not governed by the principal of one shareholder - one vote, but rather by the principle of one share - one vote, meaning that the largest shareholders control the decisions.  When their vast wealth and influence is given free reign in Washington, we allow an un-Democratic force to govern our Democracy.

When we have large global corporations controlling legislation in Washington, we may not even know who’s interests are being served.  Are the Shareholders citizens of the United States, or are they sovereign wealth funds of foreign nations, or groups of foreign investors? 


WHY CAN’T WE PASS LAWS PREVENTING CORPORATE INFLUENCE IN WASHINGTON?

There are two answers to that question.

Common sense tells us that politicians will not bite the hand that feeds them.  If their largest donors and supporters are corporations, they will not pass laws restricting their access. 

More importantly, in January, 2010, the Supreme Court ruled in a very important case called CITIZENS UNITED v. FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION.  This case challenged the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law.  That law barred all corporations and unions from broadcasting “electioneering communications” within
60 days of a general election.

In this decision, the Supreme Court decided that corporations have the same First Amendment rights as people, and may spend unlimited amounts of money on political speech.

But this ruling could not have happened with anther Supreme Court case dating back to 1886.  In the 1886 case Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific, the Supreme Court, in a questionable ruling, ruled hat the Fourteenth Amendment equal protection clause(originally written to grant human rights to freed slaves) guarantees constitutional protections to corporations in addition to natural persons.

Any laws passed to restrict corporations access to the political process will be appealed by corporate lawyers until they are thrown out by the courts based on these Supreme Court decisions.  Therefore, the only avenue left to remove their unhealthy influence, is to pass a Constitutional Amendment that removes constitutional rights form corporations and grants them only to real people.

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 01:01:18 pm »
And one on Support Occupy Wall Street


SUPPORT THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT
Occupy Wall Street began as a publicity stunt.  It came from a proposal in a single blog in July of 2011 to occupy Wall Street beginning on September 17.  the message stated, “Beginning from one simple demand—a presidential commission to separate money from politics—we start setting the agenda for a new America.”

The idea was like throwing a match in dry grass and it spread like wildfire.  This is one reason the movement can seem so disorganized and unfocused in its early stages.  But its rapid growth WITHOUT OUTSIDE FUNDING OR ANY PRE-PLANNING is a powerful indicator of the frustration in the public, and their powerful desire to take action to win back the control of their government.
The movement is growing and maturing even as you read this, and you can be part of it.
Anyone can step into the conversation with a good idea and see it take root.  The beginning of any movement begins with awareness.  Some people are frustrated with our lack of specific goals.  But we feel that those will develop with time and organization, and that our main mission today is to educate and inform people, and get them to join this movement in restoring Democracy to America.
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!
THIS WHY WE SUPPORT IT!

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 01:14:38 pm »
Hi Bob

I like much of what you proposed.  Could I ask you to make another attempt on Corporate Personhood?  The parts on "End Corporate Personhood" and "Why is granting rights" are pretty good.  I would add the following comments.

- I would avoid words like "sacred" - to me that's non factual
- The Bill of Rights was not produced at the same time as the Constitution and in my understanding was a topic of some enmity between the states and the writers of the Constitution. I think we want to avoid debate about what happened in history and focus on what we can see happening now.
- I think it is premature to speak about "Why we can't pass laws" or other discussion on remedies such as constitutional amendments - that strays into the area of "what to do next" which has not been agreed. 
- I think it would be better to focus on why we think it is a problem, and why we are particularly alarmed now, in the period after "Citizens United" and coming towards the next presidential election.

This was the source of my last para in that section "We fear that First Amendment rights for corporations will allow their political speech to dominate over the voices of individuals.  Corporations already wallow in an excess of economic power: they choose what products to develop, where to make them, how to price them and how to sell them.  They use their bargaining advantage to drive hard deals for wages, working conditions, raw material and component prices.  At election time, we do not want our politicians packaged and sold to us like a mobile phone, fizzy beverage or prescription medicine."

Happy for it to be edited but I think we have to paint a picture of how we see the problem, especially around political speech, as opposed to why the solution is difficult.

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Re: FAQs
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 01:23:18 pm »
On "Support the OWS movement".

I don't think it helps us be taken seriously if we say this all started as a publicity stunt, even if it is true.

Here, do you think we can focus on why we support OWS?  To explain why it is a goal of ours, instead of only the first two goals?  Other areas of the FAQ acknowledge that it is taking time to develop goals etc.  What I think is confusing to people is, why does our goal say "support OWS", when we're in Nashville?  What does it mean? Recently I was at Occupy Manchester talking about something and someone asked me "What does that have to do with Occupy Manchester?"  Not everyone understands why solidarity is important for groups that are hundreds or thousands of miles away and perhaps dealing with different specific issues.

Your thoughts?