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Offline mocracy

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The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« on: October 21, 2011, 02:46:24 am »

Professor Hector R. Cordero-Guzman, PhD measured the increasing interest and levels of participation
and involvement in Occupy Wall Street (OWS) by tracking the traffic to the main site for the protests-
occupywallst.org.

Monitoring an average close to 400,000 visits per day, Cordero-Guzman found among the demographic
characteristics of the 1619 users who took his survey:

“that 81.3% of respondents considered themselves White, 1.3% Black\African American, 3.2% Asian, .
4% Native American Indian, 2.9% Mixed, 7.7% Hispanic, and 3.2% considered themselves some other
group.”

According to the U.S. Census Bureau 'whites' will be a minority by 2050 as the twenty-somethings that
form the core of the occupy protests enter their 60s. If the data generated by the study is a snap shot of
the occupy movement across the United States, yet another minority group – the future few – are
forming a power base that does not in many ways include the realities of the future majority populations
of this country.

Class has dominated the 'occupy' discourse over and above concerns about race and gender. As a
minority, this aspect of the 'occupy' movement did not initially cause me to feel alienated from the
movement. If I were asked yesterday, how I identified with the OWS movement, I would have proudly
answered, that 'I march under the banner or the 99%'. As long as the movement was speaking for and to
my social and economic concerns, I did not feel the need to take a second look at the racial make up of
the movement.

Two things happen over the course of the last 32 hours that have unsettled my comfort level with an
unqualified identification with the OWS movement.

In response to a post that I have submitted for discussion in several occupy.org forums a moderator of
occupynashville.org after reading my “We The People Initiative” and presumably reviewing the subject
matter of my blog (blog.erace-inc.com) made the following general comments before deleting my post:

- 'you did not write the proposal, it sounds like a group of people contributed to it'
- 'you have abused our private messages (PM) to Spam users'
- 'you are trying to use this site to promote your blog and your agenda of race, gender etc.'
- 'issues of race and gender are important but not a focus of organizing at this time'
- 'you have not answered my questions about the 'origin' of the proposal'
- 'your proposal is not interesting as a lack of replies attest “ENOUGH SAID”

After reading the moderator's comments, I came across Cordero-Guzman's preliminary study sampling
the demographic composition of the OWS movement as it is reflected in traffic to occupywallst.org. It
occurred to me that there is a difference between the 99% and the OWS movement. More important
than this distinction first entering my mind is the possibility that OWS movement may not include the
energy and synergy of the future majority populations that will compose the 99% in 40 years time viz.,
in 2050.

It is unclear to me where the hostility towards my posts on occupynashville.org site originated.. In
response to the moderator, I attempted to address her concerns by pointing out that I:

- did not Spam any users nor create the hash-tag to which she attributed the spamming
- good or bad, I wrote every word of the “We The People Initiative”
- have [had] no agenda to promote my blog or any specific issues of race or gender

The only reason that my blog is mentioned at all on the site is in response to questions directed at me
seeking information about the author and origin of the “We The People Initiative”. In resovling the issue
the administrator of the occupynashville.org site took a no non-sense reasonable approach to the dispute
that I view as a positive indication about the future of the movement in Nashville and overall.

My experience in the occupynashville.org discussion forum made me pay closer attention to Cordero-
Guzman's study. In this sense, the moderator's reaction to me, my proposal and my blog was helpful and
positive in so far as it served as a catalyst for my reassessment of what the movement is trying not to be
and what that means to me.

Cordero-Guzman's observations point out among other things that:

- “92.1% of the sample has some college, a college degree, or a graduate degree.”

The only time you reach the 90 percentile when considering the education of blacks and Hispanics, is
when you are speaking of high school drop-out rates in rural areas and inner cities.

- “50.4% were employed full-time and an additional 20.4% were employed part-time.”

The only time you see numbers this high about employment among blacks and Hispanics is if the
discussion has to do with the disproportionate unemployment rates in minority communities.

According to the study, between 60 and 70 percent of the respondents regularly use facebook or twitter.
Due to a huge technology gap along the lines of economic disparities, that percentage is amplified in the
negative among minorities.

With much effort, sacrifice and determination the 'occupy' movement will hopefully not only last through
the winter months but continue to grow in number and in influence. As this infant movement succeeds in
harnessing the power of 'the People', I sincerely hope that it will actively encourage life experiences
colored by differences of sex, race, gender and sexual orientation to inform in more creative ways the
many aims and varied purposes of the movement.

When the most extreme and I would argue necessary elements of the movement are shouting “down
with the government”, the fact that blacks and Hispanics have been down and out under the current
government in the many years preceding the 'Great Recession' should weigh heavy on their minds.
As 'anarchist' champion their cause in loud and boisterous choruses, they should imagine what a black or
Hispanic youth living in lethal lawless neighbourhoods think when they see on television these young
'white boyz' wearing Palestinian scarfs demanding an end to current iterations of law-and-order that
oppress them as they attempt to experience all the follies of their young lives with effortless
anticipations.

Feel good liberals basking in the glory of global ambitions that envision the movement spreading to
places 3,000 miles away, should keep in mind that within and outside of city's limits across the country,
over 800,000 kids in the richest country in the world are going to bed tonight without dinner ending a
day that began without the breakfast served at the more organized occupy protest sites around the
country.

Above all, we must not forget that this movement as it has begun to define itself is not a vanguard
consisting of the poor and disinherited millions that have been living under the 'poverty line' for many
years. Rather, the occupy movement' is a vanguard of the middling classes that have recently had more
and more occasions to live as 40 plus million poor and destitute U.S. Citizens have existed for years.
Just because the core of the current protesters have awakened, does not mean that it is morning in
'America' for everyone. Now that your eyes are open to and through your own situations and
circumstance, open your minds to learning from people who have turned rock bottom into a foundation
for basic subsistence and survival. Remember this when the resolve of the occupy movement is tested
during the bitter winter ahead.

The next time you are bickering in your general assemblies, have a moment of silence for the voices and
experiences that have been silenced by the persistent powerlessness of poverty since President Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in his 1964 State of the Union address. These are some of the same
voices that were probably a mere whisper in your ear when the economy was 'perky' and a caffè latte in
chique coffee houses was part of your budget and daily routine. I enjoyed this guilty pleasure when the economy was better.

In conclusion, don't boast too loud about the benefits of vague goals, a lack of structure and a leaderless
movement. The people of all shapes, colors, origins and orientations whose current situation has crushed
their dreams, thwarted their goals and left them wondering in an economic wilderness might overhear
you. If the movement addresses their concerns you may be fortunate enough to see them standing in
solidarity next to you in the places and the spaces that you occupy.

It can and will be said that this post plays the 'race card'. This is not the case if for no other reason than
as indicated in the demographic study, that card is apparently not even in the deck!

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Yikes! HuH???
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 03:07:10 am »
Yikes! Where did that come from?? I'd bet my right/left ARM that NONE of our MODERATORS would say such things! Are you sure it wasn't just another member???  And from ALL I've seen, EVERYBODY is more than welcome! Plenty of black, white, asian, hispanic, male, female, gay, straight, young, old, educated, less educated, self-educated... Come out to the Plaza and join us, and you'll see! They even use Progressive Stacking at their general assemblies to be sure that all diverse voices get a chance to speak. In fact, this is the MOST DIVERSE group of people I've ever seen working together in one place, for one purpose!! It's pretty amazing, so I hope you won't let a misunderstanding of one member's post get you so upset! PLEASE BE WELCOME!

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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 03:17:36 am »
Thank for your comments. I am currently in Atlanta putting some effort towards developing a response or reaction to the OWS movement by activist from the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s - and having a difficult time weaving threads between my limited understanding of the emerging movement and long settled understandings of the civil right movement. I hope to see you guys in Nashville sooner or later. After a few PMs re the miscommunication I write about in WOWS, I am totally cool with the Nashville team.

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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 08:38:11 am »
First, let me apologize, and reiterate the point that I really like your initiative statement. I overreacted to the PM, then you did, then I did... ad infinitum. So I hope we can move on.

I would like to mention that, as a doctoral student, you are probably well-aquainted with validation of statements, and identification. All ya hadda say was that you wrote this as part of a dissertation and that a good deal of research when into its writing. Just that would've made a world of difference.

I'm also an IRB certified researcher, so you would also be familiar with the ethics of identifying yourself as a researcher. You're certainly free to read public forums and draw whatever inferences you choose. But, the moment you enter into the conversation, none of our comments can be incorporated into your research without full disclosure and permissions. That's kinda standard procedure across the board, plus is just basic ethics and common courtesy to fellow posters. We may use anonymous handles, but it's still really important to know where somebody's comin' from. In our media-ocracy, we're constantly bombarded with unsubstantiated spin, including in this Occupy Nashville forum. So I hope we all at least try to be transparent with each other about the origins of our reasoning. Lack of transparency is a big part of the mess our country is in! So, please forgive me if I was a little gun-shy of some weighty document that appeared to come from who-knows-where. I'm so glad that I now know better.

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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 06:40:16 pm »
Okay, so let's see if I have this right. You are saying:

It is now mainly white, educated middle class people standing up for all the other races who are in even worse poverty?

By 2050, it will be the minority that has to fight for all the other races?

No matter how much the same people also try to be all inclusive someone will still pull the race card on them?

Am I missing something here?



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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 01:19:41 pm »
Thank you for your post mocracy: how to involve minorities and the extremely poor has been a constant issue of discussion, because we do want to involve them and the movement is open to everyone.  The question we need to be considering, rather than trying to blame people, is this: Why aren't minorities who have been adversely effected by the recession participating more and how can we get them involved? It is worth noting that those visiting the occupywallst.org website doesn't necessarily represent the demographics of the movement, and that currently the US population is 73% white, so the numbers you quote aren't that far off our current population statistics.
It should be said as well that the movement uses a progressive stack system during the General Assemblies in order to give a voice to traditionally excluded voices, and that issues of racial and gender equality favor heavily in the movement, even if the focus is economic equality.  So, let's focus on finding solutions to how we can reach out to minorities and those that might, for whatever reason, not be participating in the movement.

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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 11:43:38 am »
City Room: Occupy Wall Street Struggles to Make ‘the 99%’ Look Like Everybody

By By ALICE SPERI

Published: October 28, 2011

At the beginning, there was a visible scarcity of blacks and other minorities among the protesters at Zuccotti Park, which was jarring to people of color who considered joining. Getting the movement to be more diverse has become a priority in recent days.

Read Entire Article

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/occupy-wall-street-struggles-to-make-the-99-look-like-everybody/

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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 03:47:34 pm »
It’s unfortunate “mocracy” got his or her feelings hurt, but I can see how his or her tone may have predicated some of this; snarky typically yields snarky in return.  If you can show me evidence that any minority of any kind you can conceive of has been turned away, discouraged, or impeded in any way from participating in the “occupy” phenomenon I would love to be informed of it no matter where it has occurred and I will, upon being irrefutably informed of this, immediately dissociate myself from “occupy” anything and everything everywhere, as will my wife in concert.  Name me anything in america that hasn't characteristically omitted the indigenous peoples of North America  who by all practical analyses have been genocided out of functional existence in this society.  Straggling members of a group avoiding institutionalized ethnic cleansing being institutionally and "legally" placed into concentration camps will kinda have that effect, as intended.  Have you personally been to Nashville to witness our little event or are you projecting from afar?  I have been.  I am part Native American, 56, my wife is black.  Pardon me for the advance degree, but I was lucky enough to recognize early on what they were doing to the middle class and went to college at age 31, and then beyond, while raising a young daughter on my own in a meager effort to offset the plutocrats.  All anyone has to do is show up.  The question is rather, as my wife has articulated on more than one occasion, why aren’t more of “us” most harmfully affected by the system in place showing up?  I have my own thoughts on this, they involve but are not limited to the corporate state’s age old institutionalized divide-and-conquer strategy to keep the masses working against each other, but I really don’t think you’ve made a strong enough case here warranting a full force rebuttal.  What you offer is idle speculation based upon anonymous chat board participants.  Show me evidence someone from your list of minorities worthy of consideration has been turned away.
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Re: The White Occupy Movement: WOWS
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 07:50:43 pm »
My gut reaction: We need to continue to spread our message to folks from ALL backgrounds in order to best represent the 99%!