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I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« on: December 04, 2011, 01:10:38 am »
I do not choose to talk about any efforts I may or may not have made on behalf of Occupy Nashville.  I will say, whatever they may gave been, I am suspending direct support....at least for a while...until, and if, we get over whatever phase this may be.  I write this because I believe in the principles of ON and hope I may find my way back.

The ON movement gave me hope.  Nashville had a very special feel.  And passionate determination toward goals of non-violence and clarity.  I perceive erosion of focus.

It is to be understood.  People sleeping on granite share unique hardship and form community, complete with strengths and foibles of any group of people.  But, in the process, sometimes important things are lost.

I observe that the presence on the steps is no longer a priority.  Indeed, it becomes difficult to offer donations as there is rarely a response to a "Mic check" coming from a vehicle parked illegally to bring food or supplies.  This situation started prior to the cold weather, so it is not caused by retreating to tents.  It is simply a change of priority focus and unwillingness of some to bother to respond.

The action at CCA became contentious.  Not because of racism, but, rather because  differing historical perspectives clash and cause misunderstanding.  Even when we are informed clearly the action (however, unintentionally and cleverly street theater orchestrated) offends a group of people, we choose to stream the event daily.  Thus, while on one hand claiming to desire diversity,we  continually post something that folks have specifically said hurts them.  Seems counter-productive.

Territorial tiffs, cliques, and insider tensions drain energy from primary objectvies.  Care is taken to protect outside supporters from exposure to tensions, but it is apparent and sad.

Statewide  convening occurs.  Midnight march to "take the streets of Broadway" is planned.  Even though there is a wealth of new blood participating, ON does nothing to inform and educate the non-violent, appropriate responses to authority.  Lawyer advises arrest is possible if folks are in the street.  People go in the street anyway.  But, when law enforcement does their job, ON marchers respond with obscenities and taunts.  While it is true that only a few may be most egregiously involved, live stream hears NO ONE suggesting that actions and words such as those are not what we do.

Paraphrasing MLK, "for evil to succeed, it only takes good men to be silent"

To make matters worse, to avoid arrest, one of ON's most active media persons claims to be not really affiliated with ON, but kind of an undercover press guy and some think that's pretty humorous. 

I was proud of Direct Action when they led the GA to understand how to respond to Vandy Young Republicans.  We have lost that sensitivity.  That priority is lost.  Metro police have been nothing but good and respectful.  They did not deserve the treatment we gave them.

I came to GA on Saturday to hear if anyone shared my thoughts.  Not so much.  The only word I heard repeated about Friday's midnight march was "awesome"  and a reminder to stay on the sidewalk in order to not get arrested.  Good advice.  but misses the point.  The defining attribute of Nashville centered on behavior and attitude.  Saying F*** You to police who are simply doing their jobs takes us to a whole different place...and it's somewhere I choose not to enable. Live Stream says "ON is evolving" but I liked us better a month ago.

Please keep in mind, if I didn't care, I wouldn't bother posting this.

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 11:13:19 am »



Welcome to the other 99%.

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 07:23:14 pm »
Trust me, there will be some discussion on this very, very soon. I think it even started tonight.

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 09:22:19 pm »
Yeah, I was there.

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 11:35:52 pm »
I will urge all to maintain hope.  The phase you're experiencing is to be expected; it's part of group development.  I'm sure there's someone who can speak to this better (and with greater authority) than I, but I've learned that group formations experience the following stages:  forming, storming, norming and performing (to state it simply).  You may now be witnessing the storming stage when conflicting roles, personalities, principles, goals arise.  It's probably more pronounced here since you have an open group in which new members can pop in at any time, many who lack an understanding of the culture and values for which the group may have already formed a consensus.  To get past the confusion of the storming phase, you must reaffirm and communicate the values and norms that have been established so that others will have the opportunity to "buy in."  You may need the space (time and place) to effectively confer in order to do this.

You must make the efforts to confront and resolve the serious conflicts (realizing that this is a natural part of group development), communicate and reaffirm the norms and values of ON, and then prepare to achieve the vision.  But please, do not become disheartened.  Your group is growing and maturing.  I have great confidence in what you are doing and the spirit that moves you. 

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 08:27:20 am »
I am not camping but I have been a supporter with supplies and presence at GA's and some marches, and I agree with your sentiments.  Even as an "outsider" of sorts, I can feel the tension and see the changes.  I agree with the person who commented that it is a part of any group dynamics and that I have also seen the group handle some problems and conflicts well.  Some changes resulted earlier from problems.  I agree with you totally about not being violent in any way...language or actions.  And that is the only way the movement will succeed.  It is also the only way I will continue to support it.  I think this should be discussed at EVERY GA so that any new person is informed.  It should be discussed in specific terms so everyone knows what it means to be non-violent (i.e. we don't yell or call names at all...to anyone...we don't stick our cameras in the face of a Kroger security guard just doing his job...good grief, that was so embarrassing.  He wasn't harassing us.)   And we obey traffic laws about crossing streets so when we are marching in support of a community we don't create problems for it.  Perhaps this idea should be submitted as a proposal?  Let me know what you think.  I will not be back this week, but will submit it when back or if someone else more involved wants to do so, feel free. 
I was also not in favor of the people who broke into the state building and claimed it for the homeless. I think all direct action ideas that involve breaking laws should be discussed at GA first....don't give me the "this cannot wait" excuse....that could have waited.  I am having a big problem with the media attention on the people who are behaving in ways that in my opinion do not further the movement and ignoring the people who are maintaining non-violent protest. 
And I know of 8 people who have left the movement for this reason.  I am still here for now, but really looking for a way to help things evolve in a stronger way.  What about a meditation space there?  Talks on non-violence and a focus on creating the new and positive rather than a focus on complaining?  We have made our point that something is wrong and must change.  Now we start to make a positive difference? 

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 10:21:44 am »
A sincere thank you to "all y'all" who express empathy with me and this unfortuante place my spirit is "occupying".  It is amazing to me how deeply this is affecting me - I have gone to the plaza for the past three days to see any meaningful response and/or recognition of basic issues and have left in tears each night.  I feel ridiculous.

benoverten - your words are wise.  I spoke yesterday with key people who were involved in the building break-in.  To a person, they all condemn the things like language use and disrespect.  Then, each had a but  ...but I was doing something else...but it isn't that many people.....but you have to expect it because it's just youthful exuberance..etc.  Itis not new people at the heart of the evolution we perceive; it is people who have been at the Plaza from the beginning,  It was patiently explained to me that the movement has to enter new territories...."otherwise, what are we supposed to do...just camp here indefinitely?"  A handful of extremely passionate people are moving in the direction we see because it meets their personal need to call attention to a problem rather than take a longer, quieter path to actually making a difference.

Sockmonkey - I appreciate your suggestion the basic values be talked about at every GA.  That is a great idea that would reach new folks as well as reinforce original Occupiers.

Eli - I am the one who designed a new hand signal to "send you the love" as you try to negotiate the process with an unwieldy group.  I recognize your heart and sincere desire.  Just not sure the basic change of focus is anything that GA can address.  Yesterday, the discussion focus was on decisions made by a group of people who didn't even bother to be present for the conversation. What do you do with that?

 It is also interesting that the GA was not live streamed.  Dynamics of the GAs themselves  continue to inspire,

The comment regarding meditation is interesting.  Those kinds of things were done regularly at the beginning.  They have been infrequent ever since the first arrests.  As said before, the focus changed.  I remain on my LOA.  It will be easier when I can give up hope and walk away entirely.  Or, at least, less teary.  I have become a lurker, watching from the background to see what happens.  And, oh, by the way, when I entered the Live stream this morning, guess what was airing....Right. "The selling of slaves at CCA"

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 11:05:16 am »
solidarity means standing shoulder to shoulder with people especially when you dont agree with them. solidarity means communicating and understanding each other and sometimes agreeing to not agree. this is how a movement becomes a movement. i personally am interested in justice and compassion. this is a secular movement that is based on compassion and understanding. i have seen alot of things happen within the movement that i dont agree with i.e. the press release representing occupy nashville with a cross on it. this movement will not be co-opted by any religious groups!!!!!!!!! we will work with anybody who has the same goals. if your goals are to convert people or proseltyze, then please re-think your role in the movement. notice i didn't leave the movement, but instead communicated my severe distaste for such actions representing us all. that to me is more abhorrent than a few cuss words hurled at the cops taking away our friends. i am still in solidarity with those folks in the movement who have no problems with manipulating the message to bring certain groups in. i find that extremely distasteful and hope that they change their minds about manipulating our message. this isnt a christian movement . it is a peoples movement. i dont agree with these folks and their behaviour, but i love them and love our movement. SOLIDARITY isnt easy, but it is neccessary.

much love and light to all of you.
peace

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 11:17:24 am »
http://www.lorenzohagerty.com/blog/?p=525

Well, I must say I'm a bit surprised that Metro PD has conducted themselves to a higher standard than most of the nation's PD's, in respect to their interactions with protesters.

However, Haslam, who signed into law, that which criminalizes the 1st amendment, looks the other way in regards to DICE units armed robberies while actively seeking to change more rules to bar organized protesters, is no different a tyrant, than Bloomberg. I'm not sure if he is a billionaire, like Bloomberg, but he's cut of the same cloth.

There are countless Bloomberg types in the US.

It is human nature for all to see the brutality going all around and become more than a bit angry.


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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 11:33:14 am »
"if your goals are to convert people or proseltyze, then please re-think your role in the movement."  by Eva Occupy

harsh words.  not trying to convert.  trying to be heard.

Eva is a passionate, sincere, love based Occupier who truly loves all, but committed to her own path.   That's fair.  That's what we all must be.  That's what I am trying to do as well.

Solidarity erodes when values clash.  That is what needs to be worked out.  By collaboration, not confrontation.  Hard to collaborate when key persons choose not to be present.

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2011, 12:06:12 pm »
One violent person, of action or language, can bring down a movement like this one.  The cameras will focus on that person and that action of violence and the power of non-violent protest is lost.  There needs to be a commitment to presenting non-violence at every GA, and with every new person who arrives on the scene.  People who cannot abide by this should be asked to leave.  this presentation could take different forms....for example...at GA:  "Let's all take a moment of silence to look within, acknowledge your anger, hurt, sorrow.....and then transmute this in the fire of love.  Feel the love for all beings, the need for all beings--even the ones creating problems in the world, for they are teachers.  Breathe in their sorrow, their fear...breathe out love to them.  Breathe in your own sorrow, fear, anger....breathe out love....etc...(Tonglen Buddhist meditation).....Before you open your eyes take a moment to re-commit yourself to non-violent language and action.  Know that even the one you are protesting against is your brother or sister.  Know that the only way to true peace in yourself or the world is through Love."
That was just an example, but non-violence could be set as an intention in this way or others at each GA.  Like a "morning prayer and pledge of allegiance" in my elementary school days. 
I cannot be at another GA for a while, so would appreciate someone taking this there if it calls to you.
Lj   (tall older woman who sat up all night with you the third night and just could not get arrested!)

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Re: I'm taking a leave of absence; here's why
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2011, 05:10:27 pm »
First, thanks, newjk, for your notes from the other night.  The GA was not livestreamed, and no minutes have been posted.

I am also taking a LOA, but not from the movement itself, just from ON.  As a person who has been disabled to some extent or another for 20 years, I have become a resourceful person.  Many years ago, I 'bartered,' in a sense, for someone to carry my things and help me get around on the rainbow trail and off, help me to set up protests in the woods to protect Mississippi's forests, and help me get to other protests over the years.  What I gave in exchange was sometimes transportation, and sometimes just plain good will and good company.  I am thankful to those who helped me be involved in those protests that I will forever think of fondly.

When this protest started happening, and I started groking it, at first I was devastated that my protesting days are over.  I really wanted to be involved.  As I watched ON on livestream, I saw that there were actually many ways I could be involved because of something called the internet.  The word had to be spread, people had to be educated, support and help could be focused upon camps who were encountering trouble from the police and politicians, money and goods and services could be supplied to camps....all via the internet!  So I got excited.  I COULD be part of this, after all.

And then ableism hit me in the face, for only the second time in my life, and harder than any other time.  My voice didn't mean anything because I couldn't go to the camp.  The role that was desired of me, I came to realize, was to be a yes-(wo)man, and to agree with every single thing I saw and heard happening.  Otherwise, I was challenged with statements such as "why aren't you HERE?"  "you are a shit-stirrer."  "why don't you come talk to us face to face?"

My solution to this wasn't to just shut up and agree with everything.  It was simply to go to other livestreams and offer support and help there.  This is a nation-wide movement, after all, and much of it is going on on the internet.  My voice was heard and valued in Portland, LA, Philly, SF, etc.  Another solution is to form a group of people who, like me, cannot occupy the ground.  Some of them are disabled, like me, some are too far away, some have children or older people to take care of, some of them are broke.  I hope that this group grows and shows the world that they don't have to sleep in tents to be involved, or to have a voice.

Livestream is many people's window to the movement, and this is where I have the most problems with Nashville.  I spent the last two days trying to figure out how help the livestream become more accessible, if you will, and finally decided it wasn't worth it, at least for now, at least in Nashville.  You cannot get a straight answer about anything that is going on via livestream.  GAs are announced, and we wait.  We wait until it's over, we wait for updates, we wait for any morsel of information that might allow us to help.  But it doesn't come. I think that there need to be other livestreamers, and when I say that, I get either 'yes, we do,' or 'no, we have plenty of people and equipment, there's just drama here.'  I thought if I could put another laptop down there, maybe we'd get to see the GAs and teach-ins live, but that wouldn't fix it, either.  There's the problem of hotspots.  We were told two wildly completely different stories about why the hotspot near the GA yesterday couldn't be utilized, and have no idea who to believe.

We were told, the night of the building incident, that we would be able to see the march, as soon as they reached a certain corner.  We waited and waited.  Finally, livestream popped on and there were cop cars everywhere, and we were told that they were at 'an undisclosed location.'  Undisclosed?  With cops everywhere?   Really?  When I asked that, we were then told what was actually going on.  Sort of.

So, there was basically a media blackout, performed by ON, to hide the fact that ON was involved in a DA which, personally, I thought was an awesome DA.  Except for the fact that it was covert.  If this DA had actually been publicized and broadcast, there would have been a lot more people there, there would have been a lot more support from all over the world (globalrev was streaming us for the few minutes of the arrests and would have been streaming us the whole time) if it had been announced.

And then there was the issue of the march itself.  We were told the laptops were too heavy for a march, though they weren't too heavy the night before, for the march out to greet Clarksville.  They weren't too heavy for the DA at BoA or NES.  And then we were told that the laptops were actually there the whole time, but the crowd marching was told that they were turning the streaming off (though I'm not sure why, because they weren't streaming at the time).

That's just a tiny glimpse of what is going on with the livestream.  Do I have to even mention that, in the chat, it depends on who you are, what you can say?  Some can say that nonviolence is only temporary, and argue that violence needs to happen eventually, and that's fine.  Others, who are not in the circle, or whatever (I really have no idea how this hierarchy works, there is no transparency), have been told that the livestream is for the tech team's purposes, and that the rest of us can just go to youtube to see what's going on.  Well, then. 

I am nobody.  ON will survive without me.  But at the same time, I am everybody.  ON will not survive if it keeps driving people away.  You never know who is sitting in the chat room.  Buck jokes about the cia and such sitting in there, but there could also be someone sitting there watching, on the fence, trying to decide if they want to spend their time, money, and possibly their reputation on this movement.   You may have a reporter sitting in there, writing an article about how the internet is involved in OWS.  Many times, people have said the livestream is the face of ON, and many times, those people have been told it's not.  I have been told that it's getting better, yet it is far far worse than it was when I left before to give my support elsewhere.  But there is no central place to talk about any of this.  We've got the chat room, this forum and the facebook pages, most of which seem to be ignored by anyone who can do anything about any of this (if there are such people).

Anyway, as some of you know, I have a lot to say, and I could keep typing, but that's enough for now.

I am grateful to the people I have connected with, and to those who are supporting the movement's true goals, without agendas or egos.  I am glad that I've made the friends I have, and I will see you again. 

For now, I join newjk in taking a LOA and withdrawing support for ON.  However, I support the movement in general 100%, and will continue to give everything I can.  Good luck, ON!

I'll be on fb and on other livestreams.  See you there!  <3

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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2011, 06:02:45 pm »
Green, I am sorry you are feeling so badly.  It is difficult for some to understand how important accessing information from the Livestream was and how we counted on it.

I have not actually left ON as of yet.(although it has been suggested I should consider that) Nor have I given up (or I wouldn't keep posting) I have suspended my direct support of food and goods and money.  For a long while, I was happy to add my small contributions to "those who sleep in granite" because I believed I was supporting the ON movement as it presented itself and still does on the main web page and at GAs."

My goal is to support the Occupy movement.  Hopefully, in Nashville.  It would be nice if some will read my posts, and those of others here, and understand the deep feelings and frustration. Just because supporters are not camping on a nightly basis - does not mean they are not important participants.  That sentiment is espoused by nearly everyone, until someone not camping displays a contrary opinion.  Then, for some, not all,...not so much.

Mixed messages are rampant. The conversation about clarity and transparency must be held if ON wants to be inclusive and diverse.  Livestream needs to be defined as an internal tool or external tool....a place for education ...or entertainment.  Maybe both, who knows?  I don't, but we should talk about it.  We need to re-establish if non-violence means words as well as actions.  If a group not associated with a working group wants to take an action, GA should set some boundaries for others to respect, so as not to confuse the public.  Should anyone but media working group, for example, be allowed to use the ON name and post press releases to ON sites?  Or to the press?  If an independent group takes illegal protest action, should it be broadcast on ON livestream, or somewhere else?  should individuals wear something other than 99% tshirts while participating in non-ON events?

The replies to this post, as well as some personal emails, indicate I am not as alone as I was feeling. ON is evolving.  My life experience informs me that I do not own the right answers.  Often, there are many "right" answers.  I will respect the passion, sincerity and quest for justice of all Occupiers, and ON has the right to grow in whatever direction it wishes.  I say "it" cuz I don't feel a part any more, and it NOT for lack of trying.

Right now, there is deep division that is coming from within ON itself.  I wait to see how it sorts out.  Peace

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 11:53:30 am »
Thank you NewJK for including me through your story. I empathize with your points about the gap between the purpose of the movement which was outlined in a handout I received the first time I attended which read "There has been media criticism concerning the leaderless nature of the movement, claiming that we do not have a focused goal....the movement is about educating the public on issues threatening democracy..." And it is people just like us, not just pliticians and big banks, who have the power to threaten this experiment in democracy. When experimenting you cannot be attached to the outcomes  you encounter or the experiment is over.

In the handout, the word "democracy" is capitalized (to make it important as we often do in English language). But this kind of inscribing of ideas is what leads to status quo thinking. The kind of democracy that inspires me is when the GA (whether experienced live or on livestream) is working well. It works well when everybody's voice matters not the ones who stay over night. WE are all leaders and none of us leaders over one another.  I write in hopes of complementing the brilliance already stated by newjk, green, sockmonkeyhat, and particularly benoverton. I alsow want to address Eva Occupy directly in the interest of questioning your thinking (not you).  We are not our thoughts. But we and our egos are conditioned to think we are. I want to challenge my own as well as others thinking to "agree to be offended and stay connected" in ways that are not familiar to your past.

When Eva Occupy speaks of solidarity, I ran to my dictionary. "Solidarity" is defined in Merriam-Webster's as "Unity or agreement of feeling or action, esp. among individuals with a common interest; mutual support within a group" The OCcupy movement cannot match and may even rival the solidarity expressed in the civil rights movt or Haight Asbury or even the immediate moments after 9-11. This is not about "individuals with a common interest".  In fact, what I love about the Occupy movement in Nashville is that it is more like "individuals with uncommon and diverse interests, who claim and work on things that matter to them where they live and occupy life. ON and all the occupy movements have intuitively created a structure that allows all diverse interests to exist together. We are in solidarity about each and every one pursuing what matters most--together!!  That includes pursuing inter-faith or religious concerns acffecting even one of the 99% lives rather than thwarting and dismissing it. What if parts of all we bring are the solution to the massive injustice in our lives and in our mutilple worlds? We cannot see each other's lives well from the few moments we share at the plaza.

So I want to be genuinely compassionate AND transparently honest here. My experience in ON resonates with both newjk and esp. Green as a person of color and as a person whose been on the front lines of many activist projects since grad school 20 years ago.

I am not taking a leave of absense from ON but I sympathize with newjk. Our participation, my husband and I and sometimes our daughter, is not as often as we cld imagine but we bring our best to participating given our complicated lives (we are going thru bankruptcy, big concerns about our income vs more expenses, and we are newlyweds with a wonderfully dynamic daughter who keeps up occupied at home when we are not occupying the plaza). We come because ON matters in our lives and we hope we bring something that makes a difference for others.

We are not in "solidarity" about everyone but that is not why we are there. Speaking for myself, I am there to listen to who this community really is for ourselves and others. But here are our personal concerns. I care about empowering students in higher ed to be great citizens and great human beings as part of their creative learning process designed for what matters to them. Jim my husband cares about people expressing their faith for the lowest 10% and that people who were outcast by organized religions can find and discover God without the 1% defining what a church, synongogue or mosque is.

In contrast, I was not in solidarity with the CCA direct action slave auction thing no matter how well it was done according to one or two Occupiers whose history is not touched by the grotesqueness of the transatlantic slave trade that is America's holocaust. All societies had slaves. One Western society used slavery to build capitalism upon forcing over 10 million people to migrate into generations of free and forced labor. Even Muslims who enslaved people in their history set them free after a generation or if they accepted Islam. Enacting a slave auction in majority white settings simply means something bitterly disempowering {worthy of a "block"} for most people of African descent in the US, Canada and Brazil.   

I can admit here that I have not seen via video and I was not there (could not be). I was only there when it was being planned and perhaps what I need to be responsible for is that I had some personal issues as a newcomer that had me NOT say what was there for me BEFORE the direct action took place. This is what newcomers, esp. disenfranchised newcomers, diabled folks, POC (ppl of color) and immigrants, hell and poor whites, often experience when dissent is not invited and welcomed from them by the majority of a working group. 

My silence had more to do with figuring out if I really had a say and feeling disempowered about my life that day. A part of being a member of this effed up nation that we rarely discuss at ON is that some, maybe even many, ppl are coming to ON because there is no place else they are truly heard and no place else anyone truly listens to themselves and others' pain or suffering. They dont need fixing. They need to be gotten.  Citizens everywhere are not listened to anywhere else. Being heard rather than doing something about it (making a proposal) can be the most TRANSFORMATIVE act we could perform, a direct action from person to person at the level of group, that could aid a true democracy that has ppl live their daily ordinary lives in extraordinary ways. And thank you newjk for doing that for me as a person of color in front of the Homeland Security bldg (how ironic) at that Friday night GA in the bitter cold. Having a say and learning to say it even if it needs tweaking lets us know we (you and/or I) matter.

Pardon my longwindedness. I am a professor. LOL
There is something I think we could explore as a community of occupiers occupying strange and foreign lands (figuratively and literally) relative to how we understand group communication.

I learned this paradigm almost 5 years ago, and I still use it day-to-day. Imagine there are three categories of conversations that you, I and we hear. Conversations in certain settings and events have already existing patterns we were born into. We are conditioned to think, say and act certain ways before we know it. The upsets expressed above, all could stem from something you learned at a very young age about what solidarity and working together means or you could have learned it from when things were NOT working (which often leads to learning how not to cooperate in reverse if that makes any sense). 

What if y/our view of non-violence or even of religion (pick any topic) could be categorized within a discourse? Which category are you ordinarily voicing at ON or listening from? This paradigm is about patterned ways of thinking, listening, speaking, feeling and acting around what should or shouldn't be in a community or setting of folks (i.e. we call all this in shorthand a "discourse" - a discourse of patterned behaviors or the status quo).

Occupy Nashville has it's own discourse like the talk and speaking around the GA or around playing basketball or knitting has its own discourse associated with a community or even a place or event. Discourses are what has us think things should go a certain way or not in different settings. So consider there are three categories we occupy in each setting that keeps the status quo patterns in place.

    Category 1 - already known, the familiar, the expected, something commonly said or heard, might even be a predictable or cliche in phrasing. What we expect out of GAs individually and/or collectively is an example.

    Category 2 - is the "unsaid but communicated"--whenever something is said by someone (past or present), other communication is carried along with it such as "assumptions, expectations, disappointments, resentments, regrets, interpretations, significance, and issues that occur as dangerous....No matter how smart or insightful people [yes, reader, you and I are the smart  ones here], we are prone to being hijacked by the unsaid especially the unsaid about which people are unaware" (Logan and Zaffron 2009, 37).   So if you don't share  your fears, they can get in the way through nonverbal communication (wrinkling your nose whle someone is speaking rather than doing "on the fence" or "don't like" hand signals which could live for most of us in Category 1 at ON. These categories are not real or fact. Just a way of looking at a setting or community of folks.)

    Category 3 - is that which is never heard or has never been said before (by you or in your presence for you; others may have different experience of this); it could occur as out-of-left field, it could occur as poetic or crazy, it often occurs as completely new (good or bad) or sometimes as if gibberish. Thus, this category could occur as threatening to those who dwell mostly in Category 1 --the familiar and expected. Most of us do not dwell in this category which leads to the status quo. 

Exploring these three fields in a nonlinear way or learning to play in Category 3 more and more is where transformation (not change) of self and community can occur in a discourse but people have so little training in this realm they tend to revert to the familiar (category 1) to play if safe.  (read my blog about difference between change and transformation if it's category 2 or 3 for you [http://kyraocity.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/distinguishing-change-from-transformation/].

I have been aware of nonverbal expressions of distaste when people have shared what matters to them. People who are inherently part of the 99% who came freely to join the Occupy Nashville movement and contribute their greatness for not just ON per se but to our larger and personal communities. Rolling your eyes (category 2) when ppl are sharing their concerns, interrupting them, and thwarting peoples intentions may not occur to some as disingenous to our Occupy principles and values but they are.  Your actions are speaking louder than your ideals in that case.

It would REALLY make a difference if we each would simply share our fears rather than thwart other ppl you imagine represent them (you could be wrong about them, too). Generalizing and stereotyping from afar (as we all do, I know I have at the GA) doesn't work in such a complex gathering of folks who are keen observers of Category 2 in others.  Eva Occupy, I am sorry if I did this to you when you led the GA. I wasn't thinking or being responsible. But I am sure I did to a degree.

So given my fessing up to that I hope you can hear what I have to offer you around your comment above that "this is not a Christian movement it is a peoples' movement". Why should you listen to me. BEcause I am a human being and deserve that no matter what I did or didn't do in my book. I give you that same right. ANd I offer this as a thing to consider. I am not interested in making you wrong on this. 

So consider that the people in this city (and country) are both Christian and everything that is not Christian. I take this from my husband who often says this about those we disagree with ("Rumsfield is everything that is evil and everything that is not"). It takes courage and compassion of a sort that is unheard of to go there but there we go. People who bring their religious or faith concerns to Occupy are that and they are everything that is not that. Once you start fighting against their presence you too become "religious" or zealous about them.

I myself have practiced to be a Buddhist, a Muslim and for most of the beginning of my life a Christian. WHat am I now? I am all that and much more than any faith label. So what if you (meaning each of us) stopped relating from fear of what you resent and simply listened without comment, nonverbal reaction or upset to your fellow Occupiers as a form of support and love?

What kind of love (ie. acceptance or citizenship) demands people be certain ways? Don't we already have that kind of democracy?  What kind of "solidarity" expects agreement from others but doesn't give acceptance away freely? I can say finally is not democracy with a little "d". And I know all of us are up for considering that we dont know exactly what it looks like but this is what it looks like right now. It looks like newjk expressing her concerns and Eva sharing hers. And jim sharing his and Kyra sharing hers. It matters that we start from "i am you and you are me" and then maybe just maybe we all can be free.

My two cents with inflation.

Best, Kyra aka curioisty (kyraocity) :-*

PS for those not aware of the history of US slavery related to capitalism check out
Racism: A History - Part One, The Colour of Money
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-967187698277037804


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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 12:06:10 pm »
Kyra,  beautifully shared.  I am listening.   I hope to see you at a GA Soon.